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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in
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It's only when people are directly effected will they take any action.
Then they, like you, deserve all the shit you get. If you can't
protect your freedoms, don't expect them to be around when you start
crying about them.
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Why shouldn't people expect their freedoms to be around when they need them,
isn't that the reason a bill of rights is written out and defined in a
constitution that everyone is supposed to abide by?
No generation has the right to give away the rights of future generations! |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:34:42 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in
It's only when people are directly effected will they take any action.
Then they, like you, deserve all the shit you get. If you can't
protect your freedoms, don't expect them to be around when you start
crying about them.
Why shouldn't people expect their freedoms to be around when they need
them,
isn't that the reason a bill of rights is written out and defined in a
constitution that everyone is supposed to abide by?
No generation has the right to give away the rights of future generations!
Can you REALLY be such a totally naive babe i the woods??
If you can't answer your own question, you have been living with your
eyes closed, assuming you're over the age of ten, which is doubtful.
Ask an adult to help you.
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Actually, DB is right. No generation has the *right* to give away the
rights of future generations. But it is happening because not enough people
are fighting to keep it from happening. The vast majority of people in this
country seem to look at our freedoms as **entitlements** that will never go
away. They don't seem to understand that, unless we are willing to fight
for them, every freedom we have *will* be taken away. I imagine our
founding fathers would be horrified to see that people go about their
business assuming that a piece of paper (the Constitution) will protect
them, rather than understanding that that piece of paper outlines the rights
and freedoms that we are willing to *fight to keep.*
When the government talks about cutting social programs and benefits, people
come out in droves to fight to keep the program going. When the government
takes away a freedom, people yawn and shrug, unless it affects them
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Viking
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:34:42 -0700, "DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote:
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"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in
It's only when people are directly effected will they take any action.
Then they, like you, deserve all the shit you get. If you can't
protect your freedoms, don't expect them to be around when you start
crying about them.
Why shouldn't people expect their freedoms to be around when they need them,
isn't that the reason a bill of rights is written out and defined in a
constitution that everyone is supposed to abide by?
No generation has the right to give away the rights of future generations!
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Can you REALLY be such a totally naive babe i the woods??
If you can't answer your own question, you have been living with your
eyes closed, assuming you're over the age of ten, which is doubtful.
Ask an adult to help you. |
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DB
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"Viking" <noway@goodgoodbye.com> wrote in
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Why shouldn't people expect their freedoms to be around when they need
them,
isn't that the reason a bill of rights is written out and defined in a
constitution that everyone is supposed to abide by?
No generation has the right to give away the rights of future generations!
Can you REALLY be such a totally naive babe i the woods??
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I sure was a Naive babe in the woods, along with Millions of others who were
taught that they were guaranteed freedoms and rights by the constitution.
Isn't this what America brags to the rest of the World about, but we all
know now that this is a lie and America is a Fraud and a bunch of hypocrites
too!
I don't see CS as a Father's rights issues, more of an attack on our
freedoms from the country's very own government!
The real threat is from terrorists now sitting in office who are only
interested in looking after their own club and they now have a license to do
what ever they want with you when you are labeled an NCP. You are now a
second class citizen with very few rights and freedoms and they will dictate
how much you will earn and how much you will pay to raise your own children.
So is this the same freedom that America is fighting so hard to give to the
Iraqi people? LOL |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:28 am Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"Dusty" <no.one@home.org> wrote in
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Oh, and get this.. they've decided to give the CP a $20K break on expenses
(up $5K from the $15,000 is used to be).
This is taken from the CP's available cash used to calculate the amount of
C$ owed by the NCP. The commonwealth claims this is so the CP can keep a
roof over her head and food on the table.
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Everyone pays for housing regardless if they have children or not!
Most 1 bedroom apartments cost $800 to $1000 with an additional $100 for a
second bedroom.
It's only the additional expenses that should be split for food and housing.
Government thinking is total crap, $10 Trillion in debt proves that!!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote in message
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"teachrmama" <teachrmama@iwon.com> wrote in message
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I can't imagine why you ae angry at DB. He is on the same side you are.
He is talking about the fact that most people do not know their liberties
have been taken away until the loss of those liberties affects them
personally.
Seems the man lacks some reading comprehension skills! LOL
People who are not directly effected by the CS system just don't have a
clue what is really going on.
People still get married, have children and unfortunately divorce years
later with the mistaken impression or naive notion that they have rights
that protect them and look after their best interests.
Little did they know that the people who they trusted and put in charge to
look after their rights and well being were the same assholes that sold
them out and are now fucking them over for the sake of advancing their own
political careers.
Father's rights is a joke, sad but people think the AIDS cause in Africa
is far more important!
The Government seems to think so too, they're sending $30 Billion of your
tax dollars to help support that cause.
Politicians are very generous with other people's money!
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That $30 billion (actually it's a lot more) will go to drug companies for
useless drugs and corrupt African leaders. It's a round about way for
businessmen in the US and Europe to use tax money to pay bribes so that they
can drain some resources out of Africa.
At this point all of the weak and most susceptible have died from AIDS so
the numbers will decrease anyway. I'm sure they'll claim it was from all the
help and "miracle drugs" from the West
And the poor sucker prole taxpayers will believe it lol
I'm amazed that the average moron never catches on to these scams but
perhaps it's because they are average, unsophisticated and with no
historical knowledge of human nature. Both political parties in the US work
together like Mafia families to maintain certain rackets for the benefit of
their patrons who employ them. Any fighting they do is between themselves
for dominance not for the benefit of the proles. Sure, they throw you a few
crumbs (from your own taxes) and like fools you think you're getting
something lol
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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"DB" <DeeBee@netscape.net> wrote in message
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"Dusty" <no.one@home.org> wrote in
Oh, and get this.. they've decided to give the CP a $20K break on
expenses (up $5K from the $15,000 is used to be).
This is taken from the CP's available cash used to calculate the amount
of C$ owed by the NCP. The commonwealth claims this is so the CP can
keep a roof over her head and food on the table.
Everyone pays for housing regardless if they have children or not!
Most 1 bedroom apartments cost $800 to $1000 with an additional $100 for a
second bedroom.
It's only the additional expenses that should be split for food and
housing.
Government thinking is total crap, $10 Trillion in debt proves that!!!!
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True enough DB. Though the point I was making was the only line you
omitted.. "..the NCP isn't given the same
break." |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Re: Does my income define me as a father? |
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On Jul 16, 7:55 am, "Avenger" <aven...@avengers.co.uk> wrote:
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"Father Figure" <fatherfigur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I was a happy father, working and taking care of the baby at night
while her mother took classes. One day, when I came home from work,
she had moved out. I didn't know where she was. I didn't know where
my baby was. Turned out, she had run away with one of my close
friends.
Ok doesn't matter if he's a troll I'll give some advice. Your first mistake
was getting married. You don't understand females or life. Men and women
have nothing in common and females are programmed to live off men. The only
reason men even bother with females is their blind urge to reproduce (sex)
and I can easily prove this by giving you a drug that will reduce your sex
drive to 0.
I freaked out and in my despair, said and did things that I now
regret. No crimes were committed, nothing like that, but suffice it
to say that I freaked out. The pain of betrayal threw me into a deep
depression and for years, I could not function. I was suddenly
reduced to "less than" a father and made a mere visitor in my child's
life as my former close friend slipped right into place as her
"father".
I managed to get a very high paying job for about a month. I have
ADHD and couldn't concentrate on the stressful work that this job
entailed, but because I had that high paying job for one month, I was
deemed by the courts as being able to make that amount of money
The first thing you should have done is not work at all. Based on your
condition you should have applied for disability then other benefits that
can't be touched. You're too incompetent to even appear in court and a
lawyer (free) has to represent you. Once the bitch and the judge sees
there's no money to be had from you they will give up.
on a
regular basis so my child support payments are huge and I have not
been able to keep up with them. A lot of it has to do with the
depression that comes with thinking that life is beautiful one minute
and being knocked off my feet the next. People just don't understand
the depression that goes along with being made a second class citizen
in one's child's life. I am way behind on support. I want to pay it,
but I can't. If I work maybe 60 hours a week, I can, but ALL of my
salary would go toward supporting a woman who has, in the last month,
purchased a half milllion dollar home and has now had another child
with my former friend.
How is it that because of this inability to pay the amount she is
asking gets twisted into my not being a good father or my not caring
or my not loving my daughter or my being undeserving of having her in
my life the way I used to have her? How is it that this one thing has
now knocked me down into second class citizen status and makes the
step father a "better" father than I am. I still love my child as
much as I ever did. How is it that because my ex decided to marry
someone from a wealthy family that this means she loves my daughter
"more" than I do and that her current family is somehow "better" than
I am.
The facts are plain and simple. I have ADHD. I am on medication for
it. My brain is wired differently from people who don't have this
disorder. I work hard when I can find a job that I can perform and I
make my child support payments when I can, but the money does not go
to my child. It goes to the mother and the half million dollar home.
Stop making any payments. They get 0 from now on. Females and their
offspring should be punished for their misconduct. Let her new rich husband
foot the bill.
I didn't abandon my family. SHE chose to leave my family. I loved my
family and provided as best I could. I still love my daughter with
everything I have but she is being brain washed into believing that
the value of a father lies solely in his ability to pay or not pay
child support. I didn't ask her mother to leave me. I didn't ask for
any of this. I do the best I can.
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As an outsider, No children, husband etc. I think child support
payments are valid if the woman is on her own, the ex husband an
abuser etc and a divorce had to occur to benefit both parties, then
fair enough, pay up. I think you have a valid point when the woman
then hitches up with another man who has the wealth to support your ex-
wife and dependants. It does sound like you have the raw end of the
bargain. No children, no partner, just a financial hose going
towards your ex-wife. It doesn't sound fair at all. If she has
formed a new relationship, the new male partner understood she had
children (a part of her), accepted her for that, then let him pay!!
Any payments you make towards your daughter should be out of love for
your offspring and made voluntary. |
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