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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Judi Smith-Phelps
The concept of "equality" has been perverted in our country largely due to
the women's movement. In their zeal to gain equal treatment, these women
have successfully trampled the rights of men, and in particular, the rights
of fathers. The latest example comes by way of the feminists' view that men
should have no say in whether or not his child is aborted. These women are
clearly living in a fantasy world which discounts the fact that the child
would not exist in the first place were it not for his father.
If a woman in our country decides she wants a child, all she has to do to
get one is to deceive a man into believing that she is on the pill, have
sexual intercourse with him and her wish is fulfilled. That father is
automatically bound by law to relinquish at least 50% of his income for the
next 18 years to this woman in the form of child support. Yet, the
likelihood is extremely high that this father will be denied any visitation
with his child in exchange for his financial support and he is likely to
receive no help from family courts to do anything about it.
If a woman in our country acts irresponsibly by having unprotected sex and
gets pregnant, she can choose to terminate her pregnancy without the
knowledge or consent of the baby's father. Had the father been given the
option he might otherwise be very willing and capable to care for his child,
with or without the involvement of the child's mother, yet he is never given
the opportunity. Our country would rather honor the "rights" of a mother who
does not want her child than honor the God given rights of the child to a
life with at least one parent who wants and loves him.
Fathers should be given an equal say when it comes to a woman deciding that
she wants to have an abortion. Exceptions for obvious reasons (rape,
molestation, mother's health) need apply. However, until the day comes that
a woman can become pregnant, give birth and raise a child without society or
any one else's help, then both mother's and father's wishes should be
considered when questioning whether or not to abort a child. |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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No, they shouldn't.
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I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 7, 1:00 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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No, they shouldn't.
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Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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| No, they shouldn't. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
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Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a parent
as well. |
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Ken Chaddock
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Drooling Idiot wrote:
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No, they shouldn't.
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Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
....Ken |
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Andre Lieven
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 7, 5:58 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:98c4e35f-c60a-470f-9cf9-ceebbd9596a4@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a parent
as well.
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Indeed. If the sacred cow of feminism, abortion, is to be considered
as to
what values and authorities are involved in it, it then becomes an
undeniable
fact that giving women sole authority over what happens in the nine
months
prior to a birth must result in the consequences and duties arising
from a
birth also being equally all theirs.
Ergo, enforced child support payments CANNOT be reconciled with the
women's sole authority, for if the authority beforehand is all hers,
what does,
or does NOT, result from the exercise of her authority ( Not making a
choice
is still a a choice, just one made through inaction, rather than
action. ) must
be as much, and no less, hers as well.
" No taxation without representation. " A reasonable motto for this
issue,
as well.
Andre |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks in
their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
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SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the case of
rape because if she didn't want a child she should just have kept her legs
closed or said NO. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
They shouldn't be FORCED to be in the child's life, but they do have
finacial responsibilities that they need to live up to.
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SO then you believe in ALL responsibilities but no rights...NICE |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need to be
held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
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Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she chooses to be
then why should a man. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need to
be held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she chooses to
be then why should a man.
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Because the fetus is whole contained within the body of the woman. If the
woman takes drugs or drinks alcohol during the pregnancy she is held liable
for any damage done to the fetus. A man can eat, drink, smoke anything he
wants during that time and unless he somehow transfers the toxins to the
woman he is not held liable for anything done to the fetus. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Andre Lieven <andrelieven@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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On Jul 7, 5:58 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:98c4e35f-c60a-470f-9cf9-ceebbd9596a4@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
Indeed. If the sacred cow of feminism, abortion, is to be considered
as to
what values and authorities are involved in it, it then becomes an
undeniable
fact that giving women sole authority over what happens in the nine
months
prior to a birth must result in the consequences and duties arising
from a
birth also being equally all theirs.
Ergo, enforced child support payments CANNOT be reconciled with the
women's sole authority, for if the authority beforehand is all hers,
what does,
or does NOT, result from the exercise of her authority ( Not making a
choice
is still a a choice, just one made through inaction, rather than
action. ) must
be as much, and no less, hers as well.
" No taxation without representation. " A reasonable motto for this
issue,
as well.
Andre
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Keep your dick in your pant or wear a rubber if you can't be responsible.
If you aren't responsible enough to take care of a life that you create
then you really shouldn't be having sex, you child. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
news:20080708132847.659$Fi@newsreader.com...
Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need to
be held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she chooses to
be then why should a man.
Because the fetus is whole contained within the body of the woman. If the
woman takes drugs or drinks alcohol during the pregnancy she is held
liable
for any damage done to the fetus. A man can eat, drink, smoke anything he
wants during that time and unless he somehow transfers the toxins to the
woman he is not held liable for anything done to the fetus.
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I am not talking about the fetus, I am talking about the BABY after it is
born. A woman can give up the baby for adoption without the consent of the
father (by simply claiming she doesn't know who the father is) and thereby
getting out of paying anything for the child. She can even do this if the
father knows of the child and since father rarely can get physical control
of the child it makes it virtually impossible for him to do so and in some
areas it simply isn't allowed. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
news:20080708132709.258$q3@newsreader.com...
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:98c4e35f-c60a-470f-9cf9-ceebbd9596a4@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
They shouldn't be FORCED to be in the child's life, but they do have
finacial responsibilities that they need to live up to.
SO then you believe in ALL responsibilities but no rights...NICE
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You have the right to not participate in the child's life. You have the
right to participate in the child's life. You have the right to wear a
condom or have you balls cut off or to not stick your dick into a woman if
you can't be responsible enough to either not reproduce or take care of
your own offspring. Even a fucking dog takes care of it's offspring. If
you can't do that then maybe you should be put down. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
news:20080708145141.334$kh@newsreader.com...
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
news:20080708132847.659$Fi@newsreader.com...
Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need
to be held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she chooses
to be then why should a man.
Because the fetus is whole contained within the body of the woman. If
the woman takes drugs or drinks alcohol during the pregnancy she is
held liable
for any damage done to the fetus. A man can eat, drink, smoke anything
he wants during that time and unless he somehow transfers the toxins to
the woman he is not held liable for anything done to the fetus.
I am not talking about the fetus, I am talking about the BABY after it is
born. A woman can give up the baby for adoption without the consent of
the father (by simply claiming she doesn't know who the father is) and
thereby getting out of paying anything for the child. She can even do
this if the father knows of the child and since father rarely can get
physical control of the child it makes it virtually impossible for him to
do so and in some areas it simply isn't allowed.
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You're saying that if the father knows that he has a child he is not able
to sue for any kind of custody? What country do you live in? |
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