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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a
clear violation of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence,
natural justice and is also clearly unconstitutional since
men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either
don't stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your
little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A
RUBBER WHEN I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we all
KNOW that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a rubber too,
right? NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to get knocked up.
NEVER HAPPENS!
I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you have to
pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own condoms. Get
sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a shit. But if you
parent a child that child is your responsibility.
Well IDIOT - do you have the balls to say the SAME thing to
women??????
I HAVE said it before to women. Don't make assumptions.
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Well then, there is no need for abortion (except in the case of rape)
because the woman has already made her decision. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a
clear violation of the cornerstone of western
jurisprudence, natural justice and is also clearly
unconstitutional since men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and
either don't stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap
up your little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A
RUBBER WHEN I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we
all KNOW that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a
rubber too, right? NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to get
knocked up. NEVER HAPPENS!
I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you have
to pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own condoms.
Get sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a shit. But
if you parent a child that child is your responsibility.
Well IDIOT - do you have the balls to say the SAME thing to
women??????
I HAVE said it before to women. Don't make assumptions.
Well then, there is no need for abortion (except in the case of rape)
because the woman has already made her decision.
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You make HUGE assumptions. A man has the right to do what he wishes with
his body - wrap his little prick in some latex, have his vas deferens
snipped and tied in a neat little bow, or have his balls ripped off in an
industrial accident. A woman has the right not to carry something inside
her body. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a
clear violation of the cornerstone of western
jurisprudence, natural justice and is also clearly
unconstitutional since men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and
either don't stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap
up your little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A
RUBBER WHEN I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we
all KNOW that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a
rubber too, right? NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to get
knocked up. NEVER HAPPENS!
I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you have
to pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own condoms.
Get sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a shit. But
if you parent a child that child is your responsibility.
Well IDIOT - do you have the balls to say the SAME thing to
women??????
I HAVE said it before to women. Don't make assumptions.
Well then, there is no need for abortion (except in the case of rape)
because the woman has already made her decision.
You make HUGE assumptions. A man has the right to do what he wishes with
his body - wrap his little prick in some latex, have his vas deferens
snipped and tied in a neat little bow, or have his balls ripped off in an
industrial accident. A woman has the right not to carry something inside
her body.
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No, I don't make huge assumptions. You are being overally obtuse again, by
changing the definitoin of responsibilty for men and women, iow, men get
only pre-coital choices, women get choices post-coital and post birth that
men don't get. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is
a clear violation of the cornerstone of western
jurisprudence, natural justice and is also clearly
unconstitutional since men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and
either don't stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else
wrap up your little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A
RUBBER WHEN I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we
all KNOW that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a
rubber too, right? NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to
get knocked up. NEVER HAPPENS!
I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you
have to pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own
condoms. Get sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a
shit. But if you parent a child that child is your
responsibility.
Well IDIOT - do you have the balls to say the SAME thing to
women??????
I HAVE said it before to women. Don't make assumptions.
Well then, there is no need for abortion (except in the case of rape)
because the woman has already made her decision.
You make HUGE assumptions. A man has the right to do what he wishes
with his body - wrap his little prick in some latex, have his vas
deferens snipped and tied in a neat little bow, or have his balls
ripped off in an industrial accident. A woman has the right not to
carry something inside her body.
No, I don't make huge assumptions. You are being overally obtuse again,
by changing the definitoin of responsibilty for men and women, iow, men
get only pre-coital choices, women get choices post-coital and post birth
that men don't get.
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have. Women
have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have. Women
have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
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Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only quote
one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the rights to
determine . |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have. Women
have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving birth they
can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only quote
one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the rights to
determine .
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I mean WITHOUT the rights to determine.
Plus, you make it sound as though carrying a baby to term is some huge deal,
it isn't. ALL female mammals can do it, half the words population can do it.
It isn't that big a deal. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have.
Women have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving
birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only
quote one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the rights
to determine .
I mean WITHOUT the rights to determine.
Plus, you make it sound as though carrying a baby to term is some huge
deal, it isn't. ALL female mammals can do it, half the words population
can do it. It isn't that big a deal.
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Then you do it. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 11, 9:28 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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Sean_MacCl...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 8, 2:53=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Jul 7, 5:58 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot)
wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think
it's > > a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical
decisions of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
Indeed. If the sacred cow of feminism, abortion, is to be considered
as to
what values and authorities are involved in it, it then becomes an
undeniable
fact that giving women sole authority over what happens in the nine
months
prior to a birth must result in the consequences and duties arising
from a
birth also being equally all theirs.
Ergo, enforced child support payments CANNOT be reconciled with the
women's sole authority, for if the authority beforehand is all hers,
what does,
or does NOT, result from the exercise of her authority ( Not making a
choice
is still a a choice, just one made through inaction, rather than
action. ) must
be as much, and no less, hers as well.
" No taxation without representation. " A reasonable motto for this
issue,
as well.
Andre
Keep your dick in your pant or wear a rubber if you can't be
responsible.
If you aren't responsible enough to take care of a life that you create
then you really shouldn't be having sex, you child
Well that should apply to the female too, you psychotic imbecil.
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When did I say that it didn't?
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Yeah that would be the sophistry part. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have.
Women have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving
birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only
quote one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the rights
to determine .
I mean WITHOUT the rights to determine.
Plus, you make it sound as though carrying a baby to term is some huge
deal, it isn't. ALL female mammals can do it, half the words population
can do it. It isn't that big a deal.
Then you do it.
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You are talking about biology only, it isn't that really big of a deal. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote in message
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have.
Women have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving
birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only
quote one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the
rights
to determine .
I mean WITHOUT the rights to determine.
Plus, you make it sound as though carrying a baby to term is some huge
deal, it isn't. ALL female mammals can do it, half the words population
can do it. It isn't that big a deal.
Then you do it.
You are talking about biology only, it isn't that really big of a deal.
BTW, lets see a woman sire a child, nope , she can't
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IMHO< if she wants the ultimate responsibility that a child is bore into the
world, she should also bear the ultimate responsibility of making sure it is
taken care of. As another said it is very similar to "No taxation without
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote in message
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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And women have post-coital responsibilities that men don't have.
Women have to carry the child, men do not. When men start giving
birth they can
make those same decisions. Grow a womb or grow up.
Once again you use the plural of the word "responsibility" yet only
quote one.
What others do they have.
And again, SO WHAT, men have financial responsibiliites with the
rights to determine .
I mean WITHOUT the rights to determine.
Plus, you make it sound as though carrying a baby to term is some huge
deal, it isn't. ALL female mammals can do it, half the words
population can do it. It isn't that big a deal.
Then you do it.
You are talking about biology only, it isn't that really big of a deal.
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If it isn't a big deal then do it. Show us how it isn't a big deal. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ken Chaddock" <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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Andrew Usher wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and have
no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
But they always will. Even if we made it illegal, women would find a
way
to abort or get rid of their child. Hence one should support men
having that
right even if you are anti-abortion.
Andrew, I'm about a pro-choice as they come. I've been active in
pro-choice for over 28 years, even to holding executive level positions in
a national pro-choice organization. The thing is, I believe that
pro-choice isn't a female only thing.
I first became attracted to pro-choice back in the 70's when Karen Decrow
was president of NOW and both she and NOW supported equal "choice" for
men.
Sadly Ken - the fact is that Karen DeCrow was run out of NOW by the lesbian
separatists. THAT is when the women's movement changed and I stopped
supporting feminism. Under Karen it was said and egalitarian. Under militant
lesbian Eleanor Smeal it turned into what it had really never been before.
The SHE-WOMAN man haters club.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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But they always will. Even if we made it illegal, women would find a
way
to abort or get rid of their child. Hence one should support men
having that
right even if you are anti-abortion.
Andrew, I'm about a pro-choice as they come.
I know, but many of the men here aren't. That's why
I needed to point out that both sides should support
this.
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Some of the men (and women) here aren't pro-choice, many others *used
to be pro-choice* but have become disillusioned because of the
feminism's aggressive assault on men and outright denial of any and all
male reproductive rights, even on male parental rights. Those men (and
women) seem now to take the stance "if it ain't good for the gander,
then the goose damned well should have it either"
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I've been active in
pro-choice for over 28 years, even to holding executive level positions
in a national pro-choice organization. The thing is, I believe that
pro-choice isn't a female only thing.
Well, I can see why you associate the two. I don't
share that position, though.
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Well I'm confused now, what exactly is you position on male
reproductive rights and obligations ?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 9, 7:08 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
First of all, no. Secondly, where are you getting that men are not
able to avoid the unwanted responsibility? No doubt where you live
there are roving bands of fertile women raping men on the streets, but
in the rest of the world men can choose to: use contraceptives or not
have sex. Where do you get that men can't put on a rubber or just say
no?
It's more complicated than that.
How is it more complicated? Explain why you can't either not fuck or put
on a rubber.
otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear
violation of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural
justice and is also clearly unconstitutional since men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't
stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A RUBBER WHEN
I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
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Oh God not THAT old saw. Yeah but HE and NEVER SHE is held to
financial account. To HER it's a MEAL TICKET forever!
Actually what I find interesting about this reality is that the law
says that both parents are legally bound to support their child, but
the reality is that all women can abdicate this responsibility to
someone else but men can't. This is an area where reality gets in the
way of the law. The law can say one thing but in reality it never
happens that way. For example, a custodial parent , usually the mother
(reality thing) is not required by law to financially support their
child , but the non custodial parent , usually the father is required.
We keep hearing how HORRIBLE women have it. I keep wondering why - IF
it is all so horrible they just don't get the thing sewed shut???
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We also keep hearing how HORRIBLE men have it. Why don't they just have it
chopped off? Why don't you lead by example, Kenny-boy??? |
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