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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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So, then are you OK with allowing a man to adopt his kid and make a
responsible decision even if the mother doesn't agree with it and
IF the mother doesn't want the adopt she takes sole responsibility
for it.
A man doesn't have to adopt his own child.
OOPS, I mistyped that question, it should have read
So, then you are OK with allowing a man to adopt OUT his own child,
iow, put his child up for adoption without the mothers consent
No, as I already stated, I am not OK with a mother adopting out a child
without the father's consent and I am not OK with a father adopting out
a child without the mother's consent. BUT if the father or mother
don't want
the adoption to take place then THEY needto take responsibility for the
child.
OK, now you have me confused becuase you just contradicted yourself.
Here is a scenario
Father wants to adopt out the child , mother says NO , so then, if the
mother says NO< do you believe that the father is responsible for CS.
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Yes. You shouldn't be allowed to force the mother OR the father to give up
their child without cause. Here is another scenario:
Mother wants to adopt out the child , father says NO , so then, if the
father says NO do you believe that the mother is responsible for CS? THe
answer is YES. |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
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That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and have
no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
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But they always will. Even if we made it illegal, women would find a
way
to abort or get rid of their child. Hence one should support men
having that
right even if you are anti-abortion.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 9, 7:08 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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First of all, no. Secondly, where are you getting that men are not able to
avoid the unwanted responsibility? No doubt where you live there are
roving bands of fertile women raping men on the streets, but in the rest of
the world men can choose to: use contraceptives or not have sex. Where do
you get that men can't put on a rubber or just say no?
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It's more complicated than that.
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear violation
of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural justice and is also
clearly unconstitutional since men are not being treated equally under
the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't stick
your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little fucker, first!
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You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 8, 1:25 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks in
their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
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You're a sophister liar kept alive by the debacle and disaster that is
democracy. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 9, 9:08 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks
in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and
have no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
First of all, no. Secondly, where are you getting that men are not able to
avoid the unwanted responsibility? No doubt where you live there are
roving bands of fertile women raping men on the streets, but in the rest of
the world men can choose to: use contraceptives or not have sex. Where do
you get that men can't put on a rubber or just say no?
otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear violation
of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural justice and is also
clearly unconstitutional since men are not being treated equally under
the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't stick
your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little fucker, first!
...Ken- Hide quoted text -
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You're a sophister liar kept alive by the debacle and disaster that is
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 8, 1:28 pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
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Sean_MacCl...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need to be
held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Drooling Idiot wrote:
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks in
their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
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That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and have
no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility, otherwise it holds men
to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear violation of
the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural justice and is also
clearly unconstitutional since men are not being treated equally under
the law.
....Ken |
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Drooling Idiot
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
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Drooling Idiot wrote:
Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks
in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and
have no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
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First of all, no. Secondly, where are you getting that men are not able to
avoid the unwanted responsibility? No doubt where you live there are
roving bands of fertile women raping men on the streets, but in the rest of
the world men can choose to: use contraceptives or not have sex. Where do
you get that men can't put on a rubber or just say no?
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear violation
of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural justice and is also
clearly unconstitutional since men are not being treated equally under
the law.
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Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't stick
your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little fucker, first!
> ...Ken |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Drooling Idiot wrote:
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks
in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and
have no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
First of all, no.
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There's an old truism Drooling, it goes "What's good for the goose is
good for the gander". It's a paraphrase of the single most important
concept in western legal thought...natural justice...that holds that
there is must be a SINGLE STANDARD to which all individuals in society
are held. If women are legally permitted to, as you so crudely put it
"fuck" then avoid the consequences of the decision and action by
aborting an unwanted fetus, men must have an legally equivalent ability
to abrogate the same unwanted obligation.
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Secondly, where are you getting that men are not able to
avoid the unwanted responsibility? No doubt where you live there are
roving bands of fertile women raping men on the streets, but in the rest of
the world men can choose to: use contraceptives or not have sex. Where do
you get that men can't put on a rubber or just say no?
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There was a fairly widely reported case about 5 years ago where a man,
a police officer, had sex with his girlfriend...using a rubber. The
girlfriend removed the used rubber from his bathroom waste basket and
later used the contents to successfully impregnate herself. She admitted
this in court. It didn't matter, the judge said...and I quote "the
method of conception is of no consequence, once there is a child, the
parents are responsible for that child. Even in the case such as this
where the conception resulted from a criminal action on the part of the
mother, the father IS NOT RELIEVED OF HIS PATERNAL OBLIGATIONS"
So no, even if you WERE raped, you would STILL be responsible.
Supporting this is the case of Shane Seyer, a 12 year old boy who was
raped (repeatedly) by his 17 year old babysitter. The babysitter was
convicted of statuary rape and spent a little over a8 months in
prison...where she had a baby by Shane. When she got out the first thing
she did was sue for child support from Shame (well, from his parents
really) and she won, Shane, who was repeatedly sexually abused by this
woman, has to pay child support for the child that resulted from his
abuse. We have NEVER refused a woman an abortion in the case of
rape...or incest for that matter, even when abortion was illegal for
every reason, a rape or incest victim could always obtain a legal
abortion...
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear violation
of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural justice and is also
clearly unconstitutional since men are not being treated equally under
the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't stick
your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little fucker, first!
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So Drooling, what do you think is right an "fair" in the following
judgment ?
STATE of Kansas, ex rel., Colleen HERMESMANN, Appellee,
v.
Shane SEYER, a minor, and Dan and Mary Seyer, his parents, Appellants.
No. 67,978.
Supreme Court of Kansas.
March 5, 1993.
Syllabus by the Court
1.
1. In an action for support of a minor child, the parents have a common-
law, as well as a statutory, duty to support their minor child. This
duty applies equally to parents of a child born out of wedlock.
2. In an action against a father for reimbursement to the State for
support furnished under the aid to families with dependent children
program, the fact that the father was under the age of 16 when the child
was conceived and born and that the mother may have been guilty of
violating K.S.A.1992 Supp. 21-3503, or some other criminal statute,
cannot serve to relieve the father of his legal responsibilities towards
his child.
3. The issue of consent to sexual activity under the criminal statutes
is irrelevant in a civil action to determine paternity and for support
of a minor child born of such activity.
4. The State's interest in requiring minor parents to support their
children is superior to the State's competing interest in protecting
juveniles from their improvident acts, even when such acts may include
criminal activity on the part of the other parent.
5. In an action by the State against a minor father for reimbursement of
funds paid for support of his child, the fault or wrongdoing of the
mother at the time of conception, even if criminal, has no bearing on
the father's duty to support such child.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ken Chaddock" <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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Andrew Usher wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
That is ONLY a valid statement if women are also constrained and have
no way to avoid such an unwanted responsibility,
But they always will. Even if we made it illegal, women would find a
way
to abort or get rid of their child. Hence one should support men
having that
right even if you are anti-abortion.
Andrew, I'm about a pro-choice as they come. I've been active in
pro-choice for over 28 years, even to holding executive level positions in
a national pro-choice organization. The thing is, I believe that
pro-choice isn't a female only thing.
I first became attracted to pro-choice back in the 70's when Karen Decrow
was president of NOW and both she and NOW supported equal "choice" for
men.
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Sadly Ken - the fact is that Karen DeCrow was run out of NOW by the lesbian
separatists. THAT is when the women's movement changed and I stopped
supporting feminism. Under Karen it was said and egalitarian. Under militant
lesbian Eleanor Smeal it turned into what it had really never been before.
The SHE-WOMAN man haters club. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 10, 10:38 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a clear
violation of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence, natural
justice and is also clearly unconstitutional since men are not
being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either don't
stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your little
fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A RUBBER WHEN
I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
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Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we all KNOW
that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a rubber too, right?
NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to get knocked up. NEVER HAPPENS! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you have to
pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own condoms. Get
sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a shit. But if you
parent a child that child is your responsibility.
Unless you are a woman and you can give up that responsibility in a
number of ways than men can't. Therein lies the problem.
And women have a number of responsibilities that men don't have. Men
don't
have to carry the child in utero. If you want the rights that women have
then you should start carrying a child and giving birth. Until then SHUT
THE FUCK UP!
Oh God not THAT old saw. Yeah but HE and NEVER SHE is held to financial
account. To HER it's a MEAL TICKET forever!
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Actually what I find interesting about this reality is that the law says
that both parents are legally bound to support their child, but the reality
is that all women can abdicate this responsibility to someone else but men
can't. This is an area where reality gets in the way of the law. The law can
say one thing but in reality it never happens that way. For example, a
custodial parent , usually the mother (reality thing) is not required by law
to financially support their child , but the non custodial parent , usually
the father is required. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 11, 5:13 am, k_over_hb...@hotpop.com wrote:
I had to use another account to post this because I
was locked out by Google.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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On Jul 11, 7:41 pm, Ken Chaddock <chadd...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
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I've been active in
pro-choice for over 28 years, even to holding executive level positions
in a national pro-choice organization. The thing is, I believe that
pro-choice isn't a female only thing.
Well, I can see why you associate the two. I don't
share that position, though.
Well I'm confused now, what exactly is you position on male
reproductive rights and obligations ?
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The same as yours, I think.
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Drooling Idiot
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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" krp" <krp2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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otherwise it holds
men to a different legal standard than women, which is a
clear violation of the cornerstone of western jurisprudence,
natural justice and is also clearly unconstitutional since
men are not being
treated equally under the law.
Jesus Christ you are a little cry baby! Suck it up and either
don't stick your dick in a fertile pussy or else wrap up your
little fucker,
first!
You only say this because it hasn't happened to you, moron.
You are right. It has never happened to me. BECAUSE I USE A
RUBBER WHEN I
FUCK! Only a moron wouldn't!
And of course that makes you an infinitely superior being!
Because we all KNOW that rubbers NEVER fail don't we? And we all
KNOW that no woman in history has nipped off the tip of a rubber too,
right? NAW, women NEVER deliberately deceive men to get knocked up.
NEVER HAPPENS!
I said it before and I'll say it again: you want to dance you have to
pay the piper. Don't fuck crazy women. Flush your own condoms. Get
sterilized. Cut your own junk off. I don't give a shit. But if you
parent a child that child is your responsibility.
Well IDIOT - do you have the balls to say the SAME thing to
women??????
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