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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks
in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the case of
rape because if she didn't want a child she should just have kept her
legs closed or said NO.
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When you carry a fetus inside you for 9 months then you can say if it
should be aborted or not. You wouldn't be the first man to give birth, you
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think it's a
terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical decisions
of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
They shouldn't be FORCED to be in the child's life, but they do have
finacial responsibilities that they need to live up to.
SO then you believe in ALL responsibilities but no rights...NICE
You have the right to not participate in the child's life. You have the
right to participate in the child's life. You have the right to wear a
condom or have you balls cut off or to not stick your dick into a woman if
you can't be responsible enough to either not reproduce or take care of
your own offspring. Even a fucking dog takes care of it's offspring. If
you can't do that then maybe you should be put down.
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So does the same apply to women who abort, after all, if they did NOTHING,
there would be full child , or how about women who give babies up for
adoption , she they be PUT DOWN. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot) wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do need
to be held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she chooses
to be then why should a man.
Because the fetus is whole contained within the body of the woman. If
the woman takes drugs or drinks alcohol during the pregnancy she is
held liable
for any damage done to the fetus. A man can eat, drink, smoke anything
he wants during that time and unless he somehow transfers the toxins to
the woman he is not held liable for anything done to the fetus.
I am not talking about the fetus, I am talking about the BABY after it is
born. A woman can give up the baby for adoption without the consent of
the father (by simply claiming she doesn't know who the father is) and
thereby getting out of paying anything for the child. She can even do
this if the father knows of the child and since father rarely can get
physical control of the child it makes it virtually impossible for him to
do so and in some areas it simply isn't allowed.
You're saying that if the father knows that he has a child he is not able
to sue for any kind of custody? What country do you live in?
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Sure , IF HE KNOWS, but applying for custody does not guarantee custody ,
also this assumes that he knows about the child. In a fair number of US
states a woman can give up a child for adoption without the consent of the
father.
You make it seem as though applying for custody is a slam dunk and it isn't,
not by a long shot. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their cocks
in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the case of
rape because if she didn't want a child she should just have kept her
legs closed or said NO.
When you carry a fetus inside you for 9 months then you can say if it
should be aborted or not. You wouldn't be the first man to give birth,
you
know!
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Wow, talk about missing the point, YOUR Point was that if you don't want the
responsibility of a child, keep it in your pants, well the same should apply
to women as well |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their
cocks in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the case
of rape because if she didn't want a child she should just have kept
her legs closed or said NO.
When you carry a fetus inside you for 9 months then you can say if it
should be aborted or not. You wouldn't be the first man to give birth,
you
know!
Wow, talk about missing the point, YOUR Point was that if you don't want
the responsibility of a child, keep it in your pants, well the same
should apply to women as well
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They have the responsibility. It is their responsibility to carry the
child, to feed it and take care of it after it is born, OR it is their
responsibility to get an abortion or go through the adoption process. What
is the guy's responsibility? To pay for the child MAYBE, and only if the
child is born. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Sean_MacCloud@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 1:00=A0pm, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot)
wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Should the father have the right to abandon, drooling idiot?
They shouldn't be forced to be in the child's life, but they do
need to be held accountable for the financial responsibilities.
Why, if a woman isn't held financially responsible unless she
chooses to be then why should a man.
Because the fetus is whole contained within the body of the woman.
If the woman takes drugs or drinks alcohol during the pregnancy she
is held liable
for any damage done to the fetus. A man can eat, drink, smoke
anything he wants during that time and unless he somehow transfers
the toxins to the woman he is not held liable for anything done to
the fetus.
I am not talking about the fetus, I am talking about the BABY after it
is born. A woman can give up the baby for adoption without the consent
of the father (by simply claiming she doesn't know who the father is)
and thereby getting out of paying anything for the child. She can even
do this if the father knows of the child and since father rarely can
get physical control of the child it makes it virtually impossible for
him to do so and in some areas it simply isn't allowed.
You're saying that if the father knows that he has a child he is not
able to sue for any kind of custody? What country do you live in?
Sure , IF HE KNOWS, but applying for custody does not guarantee custody ,
also this assumes that he knows about the child. In a fair number of US
states a woman can give up a child for adoption without the consent of
the father.
You make it seem as though applying for custody is a slam dunk and it
isn't, not by a long shot.
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The scenario above says: "She can even do this if the father knows of the
child and since father rarely can get physical control of the child it
makes it virtually impossible for him to do so and in some areas it simply
isn't allowed." No, custody isn't a slam dunk, but if the mother is trying
to have the child adopted out (as the above scenario says) then the court
is not going to just simply say "you're the father, you have no say". If
the child wants the child and is able to care for it he WILL get it. But
if the father just wants the child to stay with the mother so he has some
connection to her the court is probably not going to allow that. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 11:00 am, droolingid...@live.com (Drooling Idiot)
wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
I also think not. Although I'm as pro-male as anyone, I think
it's a terrible idea to allow anyone veto power over the medical
decisions of a competent adult.
Andrew Usher
Do you believe then that a man should be able to OPT out of being a
parent as well.
They shouldn't be FORCED to be in the child's life, but they do have
finacial responsibilities that they need to live up to.
SO then you believe in ALL responsibilities but no rights...NICE
You have the right to not participate in the child's life. You have
the right to participate in the child's life. You have the right to
wear a condom or have you balls cut off or to not stick your dick into
a woman if you can't be responsible enough to either not reproduce or
take care of your own offspring. Even a fucking dog takes care of it's
offspring. If you can't do that then maybe you should be put down.
So does the same apply to women who abort, after all, if they did
NOTHING, there would be full child , or how about women who give babies
up for adoption , she they be PUT DOWN.
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No, because abortion or adoption IS a responsible decision. You seem to be
equating the RIGHT a woman has to abort a fetus with the RESPONSIBILITY a
man has to take finacial responsibility for the child. Or else you are
equating a woman aborting a child or having it adopted out with child
support payments. Above, I listed SOME of a man's rights. A woman has
those rights, too - to not participate in the child's life, to participate
in the child's life, to use birthcontrol or insist that the man wear a
condom or get herself "fixed" or not have a dick stuck in her. If a woman
isn't responsible enough to either not reproduce or to take care of her own
offspring, then she shouldn't be a parent (go talk to any CPS working and
you will find that there are plenty of women like that who don't have their
children, anymore). |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their
cocks in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the piper.
SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the case
of rape because if she didn't want a child she should just have kept
her legs closed or said NO.
When you carry a fetus inside you for 9 months then you can say if it
should be aborted or not. You wouldn't be the first man to give birth,
you
know!
Wow, talk about missing the point, YOUR Point was that if you don't want
the responsibility of a child, keep it in your pants, well the same
should apply to women as well
They have the responsibility. It is their responsibility to carry the
child, to feed it and take care of it after it is born, OR it is their
responsibility to get an abortion or go through the adoption process.
What
is the guy's responsibility? To pay for the child MAYBE, and only if the
child is born.
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IT isn't a responsibility to get an abortion or an adoption, you are
confusing terms here. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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The scenario above says: "She can even do this if the father knows of the
child and since father rarely can get physical control of the child it
makes it virtually impossible for him to do so and in some areas it simply
isn't allowed." No, custody isn't a slam dunk, but if the mother is
trying
to have the child adopted out (as the above scenario says) then the court
is not going to just simply say "you're the father, you have no say". If
the child wants the child and is able to care for it he WILL get it. But
if the father just wants the child to stay with the mother so he has some
connection to her the court is probably not going to allow that.
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You ought to do some reading then and look up case law. There are a number
of jurisdictions where there is no requirement to notify the father before
proceeding with an adoption and courts do in fact say "you have no say". |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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No, because abortion or adoption IS a responsible decision. You seem to
be
equating the RIGHT a woman has to abort a fetus with the RESPONSIBILITY a
man has to take finacial responsibility for the child. Or else you are
equating a woman aborting a child or having it adopted out with child
support payments. Above, I listed SOME of a man's rights. A woman has
those rights, too - to not participate in the child's life, to participate
in the child's life, to use birthcontrol or insist that the man wear a
condom or get herself "fixed" or not have a dick stuck in her. If a woman
isn't responsible enough to either not reproduce or to take care of her
own
offspring, then she shouldn't be a parent (go talk to any CPS working and
you will find that there are plenty of women like that who don't have
their
children, anymore).
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So, then are you OK with allowing a man to adopt his kid and make a
responsible decision even if the mother doesn't agree with it and IF the
mother doesn't want the adopt she takes sole responsibility for it. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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No, because abortion or adoption IS a responsible decision. You seem to
be
equating the RIGHT a woman has to abort a fetus with the RESPONSIBILITY a
man has to take finacial responsibility for the child. Or else you are
equating a woman aborting a child or having it adopted out with child
support payments. Above, I listed SOME of a man's rights. A woman has
those rights, too - to not participate in the child's life, to
participate
in the child's life, to use birthcontrol or insist that the man wear a
condom or get herself "fixed" or not have a dick stuck in her. If a
woman
isn't responsible enough to either not reproduce or to take care of her
own
offspring, then she shouldn't be a parent (go talk to any CPS working and
you will find that there are plenty of women like that who don't have
their
children, anymore).
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BTW, you ought to look up the terms RIGHTS, the things you mentioned are not
rights,
A man does not have the RIGHT to not participate in a child life as paying
CS is participating in that childs life, he is doing something that effects
the child and is therefore involved in that life. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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Ken Chaddock <chaddock@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
Drooling Idiot wrote:
No, they shouldn't.
Then they should have no obligation or responsibility to the
child...unless they specifically accept those obligations and
responsibilities.
...Ken
If they don't want the responsibility then the need to keep their
cocks in their pants. You want to dance you have to pay the
piper.
SO then by that logic there is no need for abortion except in the
case of rape because if she didn't want a child she should just
have kept her legs closed or said NO.
When you carry a fetus inside you for 9 months then you can say if
it should be aborted or not. You wouldn't be the first man to give
birth, you
know!
Wow, talk about missing the point, YOUR Point was that if you don't
want the responsibility of a child, keep it in your pants, well the
same should apply to women as well
They have the responsibility. It is their responsibility to carry the
child, to feed it and take care of it after it is born, OR it is their
responsibility to get an abortion or go through the adoption process.
What
is the guy's responsibility? To pay for the child MAYBE, and only if
the child is born.
IT isn't a responsibility to get an abortion or an adoption, you are
confusing terms here.
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Yes, it is a responsibility, if you can't, or won't, take care of the
child. It is both a right and a responsibility. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
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"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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The scenario above says: "She can even do this if the father knows of
the child and since father rarely can get physical control of the child
it makes it virtually impossible for him to do so and in some areas it
simply isn't allowed." No, custody isn't a slam dunk, but if the
mother is trying
to have the child adopted out (as the above scenario says) then the
court is not going to just simply say "you're the father, you have no
say". If the child wants the child and is able to care for it he WILL
get it. But if the father just wants the child to stay with the mother
so he has some connection to her the court is probably not going to
allow that.
You ought to do some reading then and look up case law. There are a
number of jurisdictions where there is no requirement to notify the
father before proceeding with an adoption and courts do in fact say "you
have no say".
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You should do some reading, too (and not cut my posts). My FIRST question
was WHERE DO YOU LIVE? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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Yes, it is a responsibility, if you can't, or won't, take care of the
child. It is both a right and a responsibility.
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It isn't a responsibility , you are confusing terms here and I don't think
by accident. you are just be overally obtuse. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Abortions: Should the father have some say? |
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"Ranting" <rant@rant.com> wrote:
"Drooling Idiot" <droolingidiot@live.com> wrote in message
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The scenario above says: "She can even do this if the father knows of
the child and since father rarely can get physical control of the child
it makes it virtually impossible for him to do so and in some areas it
simply isn't allowed." No, custody isn't a slam dunk, but if the
mother is trying
to have the child adopted out (as the above scenario says) then the
court is not going to just simply say "you're the father, you have no
say". If the child wants the child and is able to care for it he WILL
get it. But if the father just wants the child to stay with the mother
so he has some connection to her the court is probably not going to
allow that.
You ought to do some reading then and look up case law. There are a
number of jurisdictions where there is no requirement to notify the
father before proceeding with an adoption and courts do in fact say "you
have no say".
You should do some reading, too (and not cut my posts). My FIRST question
was WHERE DO YOU LIVE?
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It doesn't matter where I live, Canada does allow children to be put up for
adoption without fathers consent, so does several US states. |
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