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Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Grizzlie Antagonist Guest Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? <ddnoe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Quote: Is this a feminist song? Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me." What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb. That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. But she's feeling too sorry for herself. I wonder where she got the idea that men are never hurt, stepped on, lied to, cheated on, or treated like dirt. Or that women and not men give and give and go on giving. Or that men don't have occasion to love and lose and go on living. Probably from the same source that told Alice Cooper that only women bleed. Come to think of it, I guess that I don't like this song too much. It purports at the beginning to be an act of submission but it's really a sympathy ploy. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor ddnoe@bellsouth.net Guest Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Is this a feminist song?  Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me."   What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb.  That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. But she's feeling too sorry for herself. I wonder where she got the idea that men are never hurt, stepped on, lied to, cheated on, or treated like dirt. Or that women and not men give and give and go on giving. Or that men don't have occasion to love and lose and go on living. Probably from the same source that told Alice Cooper that only women bleed. Come to think of it, I guess that I don't like this song too much.  It purports at the beginning to be an act of submission but it's really a sympathy ploy. (Denise) Parts of the song appear to me to fit into a tradition of falsely seeing what are actually human problems as specifically female problems and of seeing what are human faults as specifically male faults. As black conservative Thomas Sowell has pointed out, it is true to say "white people have toenails" but it is also misleading because the implication is that this is something specific to white people. Similarly, men are lied to, cheated on, and mistreated but the song treats these as things suffered specifically by women. In many ways, men can "give and give and go on giving" while also having to "love and lose and go on living." Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Avenger Guest Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? <ddnoe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:51723c38-8e3c-4e6a-a7ca-858730c4d137@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Is this a feminist song? Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me." What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way The song doesn't make sense. In the first part of the song it's like she's saying all those woes effect women but in the ending of the song it's like she's saying her man is the exception to all of that. It's definately a sexist anti male song but then everything is anti male. Being anti male is so ingrained in society that people don't even think about it and probably just think this is normal life. Feminism is just an extreme manifestation of a female's natural sense of entitlement. Quote: I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb. That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. But she's feeling too sorry for herself. I wonder where she got the idea that men are never hurt, stepped on, lied to, cheated on, or treated like dirt. Or that women and not men give and give and go on giving. Or that men don't have occasion to love and lose and go on living. Probably from the same source that told Alice Cooper that only women bleed. Come to think of it, I guess that I don't like this song too much. It purports at the beginning to be an act of submission but it's really a sympathy ploy. (Denise) Parts of the song appear to me to fit into a tradition of falsely seeing what are actually human problems as specifically female problems and of seeing what are human faults as specifically male faults. As black conservative Thomas Sowell has pointed out, it is true to say "white people have toenails" but it is also misleading because the implication is that this is something specific to white people. That reminds me of something I saw once on TV, I think it was Bill Mahr. One of the people on the show was some old rock and roll guy and another was this black writer (can't remember his name) Well the old rock and roller was sort of criticising country music saying how corny and smaltzy it was while blues was the real music. The black writer said to him that this country music was really just the white version of the blues. The rocker couldn't respond to this. Personally I can't relate to country music much but the writer was correct. Similarly, men are lied to, cheated on, and mistreated but the song treats these as things suffered specifically by women. In many ways, men can "give and give and go on giving" while also having to "love and lose and go on living." Furthermore, men get no sympathy which is ironic because they are generally more sensitive than females. But then a sensitive men would be of no use to a female who is only interested in her blind drive to reproduce and a strong man to protect her and her child. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ken Chaddock Guest Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? ddnoe@bellsouth.net wrote: Quote: On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com wrote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Is this a feminist song? Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me." What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb. That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. But she's feeling too sorry for herself. I wonder where she got the idea that men are never hurt, stepped on, lied to, cheated on, or treated like dirt. Or that women and not men give and give and go on giving. Or that men don't have occasion to love and lose and go on living. Probably from the same source that told Alice Cooper that only women bleed. Come to think of it, I guess that I don't like this song too much. It purports at the beginning to be an act of submission but it's really a sympathy ploy. (Denise) Parts of the song appear to me to fit into a tradition of falsely seeing what are actually human problems as specifically female problems and of seeing what are human faults as specifically male faults. As black conservative Thomas Sowell has pointed out, it is true to say "white people have toenails" but it is also misleading because the implication is that this is something specific to white people. Similarly, men are lied to, cheated on, and mistreated but the song treats these as things suffered specifically by women. In many ways, men can "give and give and go on giving" while also having to "love and lose and go on living." Exactly, but this isn't the first nor will it be the last. Bell Hooks the "great" black feminist writer details the travails of being a black *woman* and her writings have been eaten up by feminists, and actually sound like real black female complaints...until you realize that the issues she complains of are exactly the same issues that black male writers speak of...in other words, the issues of being *black* are being co-opted by her writings into issues of black women only... ....Ken Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor ddnoe@bellsouth.net Guest Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Is this a feminist song?  Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me."   What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb.  That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. (Denise) Is the Rolling Stones's "Under My Thumb" a favorite song of yours, Grizzlie? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Grizzlie Antagonist Guest Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? <ddnoe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:52cabbe2-49db-4b5b-b4e5-f48092225922@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... Is this a feminist song? Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me." What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb. That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. (Denise) Is the Rolling Stones's "Under My Thumb" a favorite song of yours, Grizzlie? Artistically, no. Thematically, certainly. John Lennon's "Run For Your Life" is much better. Same great theme, and it's got a rhythm that you can tap your feet to, which "Under My Thumb" doesn't have. Unfortuantely, John Lennon was ultimately neutered by Yoko Ono, and he later expressed regret for having written "Run For Your Life". Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor ddnoe@bellsouth.net Guest Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? On Jul 6, 2:59 am, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com> wrote: Quote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:52cabbe2-49db-4b5b-b4e5-f48092225922@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 1:56 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@yahoo.com wrote: dd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:69c52416-36a6-4ee5-88cf-8b256a9181fd@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com.... Is this a feminist song? Helen Reddy called it "dreadful." One disc jockey said he played it so "the women at NOW will love me." What do you think of "Born a Woman"? Sandy Posey's "Born A Woman" It makes no difference if you're rich or poor Or if you're smart or dumb A woman's place in this old world Is under some man's thumb And if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt You're born to be stepped on, lied to, cheated on And treated like dirt Ah if you're born a woman You're born to be hurt A woman's lot is to give and give And go on giving A woman's got to love and lose And go on living Well I was born a woman I didn't have no say And when my man finally comes home He makes me glad it happened that way Because to be his woman No price is too great to pay Yes I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way Oh I was born a woman I'm glad it happened that way I'm glad that she's accepted being under some man's thumb. That sounds like an allusion to the Rolling Stones famous song. (Denise) Is the Rolling Stones's "Under My Thumb" a favorite song of yours, Grizzlie? Artistically, no.  Thematically, certainly. John Lennon's "Run For Your Life" is much better.  Same great theme, and it's got a rhythm that you can tap your feet to, which "Under My Thumb" doesn't have. Unfortuantely, John Lennon was ultimately neutered by Yoko Ono, and he later expressed regret for having written "Run For Your Life". (Denise) I enjoy both "Under My Thumb" and "Run For Your Life" and frequently listen to them on my YouTube. (Yes, I also enjoy "Born a Woman" and, yes, even Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman.) However, it seems to me that the theme's of "Under My Thumb" and "Run For Your Life" are VERY different. "Under My Thumb" is about a classic Taming of the Shrew scenario. The male narrator has brought a formerly pushy and dominant woman into complete submissiveness. OTOH, "Run For Your Life" does not tell of a woman brought into submissiveness by a dominant male. It tells of a jealous and violent man who has apparently lost the love of his woman and is threatening to track her down because he fears she will want to be with another man. The second narrator is threatening because he hasn't tamed and isn't even confident that he's kept his woman. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Avenger Guest Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: "Born a Woman" -- is this feminist? (Denise) I enjoy both "Under My Thumb" and "Run For Your Life" and frequently listen to them on my YouTube. (Yes, I also enjoy "Born a Woman" and, yes, even Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman.) However, it seems to me that the theme's of "Under My Thumb" and "Run For Your Life" are VERY different. "Under My Thumb" is about a classic Taming of the Shrew scenario. The male narrator has brought a formerly pushy and dominant woman into complete submissiveness. OTOH, "Run For Your Life" does not tell of a woman brought into submissiveness by a dominant male. It tells of a jealous and violent man who has apparently lost the love of his woman and is threatening to track her down because he fears she will want to be with another man. The second narrator is threatening because he hasn't tamed and isn't even confident that he's kept his woman. Hey joe, where you goin' with that gun of your hand Hey joe, i said where you goin' with that gun in your hand, oh I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady You know i caught her messin' 'round with another man Yeah, i'm goin' down to shoot my old lady You know i caught her messin' 'round with another man Huh! and that ain't cool Huh hey hoe, i heard you shot your mamma down You shot her down now Hey joe, i heard you shot your lady down You shot her down in the groud yeah! Yeah! Yes, i did, i shot her You know i caught her messin' round messin' round town Huh, yes i did i shot her You know i caught my old lady messin' 'round town And i gave her the gun And i shot her Alright Shoot her one more time again baby! Yeah! Oh dig it Oh alright Hey joe, Where you gonna run to now where you gonna go Hey joe, i said Where you gonna run to now where you gonna go I'm goin' way down south Way down to mexico way Alright I'm goin' way down south Way down where i can be free Ain't no one gonna find me Ain't no hang-man gonna He ain't gonna put a rope around me You better believe it right now I gotta go now Hey, joe You better run on down Goodbye everybody Hey hey joe Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Man Woman Ethno Forum Index -> All about Man All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Man Woman Ethno----------------Man Woman EthnoAll about WomanAll about ManEthnicity  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Websites ESCORTFORUM: recensioni di escort e girl Kontakte Erwachsene Mail Order mortgage quotations Make Your Own Website Cheap phone calls to UAE Cleaning Service black mold UK Swingers Genuine Contacts Site Adult Dating office furniture Free Porn Vacuum Cleaner Parts 123 Attacks blocked Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group