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 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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http://www.canadian crc.com/Newspape r_Articles/ Vancouver_ Sun_3_in_
4_Boys_on_ Street_Sexually_ Exploited_ by_Women_ 27MAY08.aspx
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3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women
Vancouver Sun, Gerry Bellett , Canwest News Service, Tuesday, May 27,
2008
VANCOUVER - Canada's largest study into the sexual exploitation of
street kids and runaways has shattered some myths about who the
abusers might be - with the most surprising finding being that many
are women seeking sex with young males.
"Some youth in each gender were exploited by women with more than
three out of four (79 per cent) sexually exploited males reporting
exchanging sex for money or goods with a female," said Elizabeth
Saewyc, associate professor of nursing at the University of British
Columbia and principal investigator for the study conducted by
Vancouver's McCreary Centre Society.
"I must admit it wasn't something we were expecting."
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 26, 12:31 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
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http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspape r_Articles/ Vancouver_ Sun_3_in_
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I posted this last week. I'll give the same reply:
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Sigh. This is another case of taking a stereotyped idea and
reflexively applying it to the other sex without really thinking
about whether it makes sense.
Look, assuming this story to be accurate, isn't the real problem
that these boys/men are _on the streets_ in the first place? If
we were able to simply abolish this 'exploitation' without
changing anything else, would the life of the 'victims' improve?
Of course not! This is just something else people talk about
to show they 'care'.
I put the word exploitation in quotes because it's not clear
that it's even a valid description - put yourself in the shoes
of one of these boys and ask yourself if it would feel like
exploitation. And yes, that applies to female prostitution
as well. [1]
Yes, I suppose we're supposed to be thankful that someone
is thinking of boys as well, but I just can't, unless they
propose to _actually help_ instead of just make gestures
like this.
Andrew Usher
[1] But not to male prostitution, as I view male
homosexual acts as inherently degrading. |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 26, 2:13 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
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Do you think these boys CHOOSE this lifestyle willingly, if not, then they
are being exploited
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No, of course not. But that's not the point, as I explained. But you
didn't even fucking read it, did you?
Besides, that definition of 'exploitation' means almost all of us are
'exploited' by our jobs.
Andrew Usher |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 26, 11:22 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 26, 12:31 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/ Vancouver_ Sun_3_in_
4_Boys_on_ Street_Sexually_ Exploited_ by_Women_ 27MAY08.aspx
I posted this last week. I'll give the same reply:
--------
Sigh. This is another case of taking a stereotyped idea and
reflexively applying it to the other sex without really thinking
about whether it makes sense.
Look, assuming this story to be accurate, isn't the real problem
that these boys/men are _on the streets_ in the first place? If
we were able to simply abolish this 'exploitation' without
changing anything else, would the life of the 'victims' improve?
Of course not! This is just something else people talk about
to show they 'care'.
I put the word exploitation in quotes because it's not clear
that it's even a valid description - put yourself in the shoes
of one of these boys and ask yourself if it would feel like
exploitation. And yes, that applies to female prostitution
as well. [1]
Yes, I suppose we're supposed to be thankful that someone
is thinking of boys as well, but I just can't, unless they
propose to _actually help_ instead of just make gestures
like this.
Andrew Usher
[1] But not to male prostitution, as I view male
homosexual acts as inherently degrading.
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I agree Andrew, the primary problem is the boys being on the street
and us doing nothing about that.
Tom |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I agree Andrew, the primary problem is the boys being on the street
and us doing nothing about that.
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And you STILL refuse to respond to my e-mail.
Andrew Usher |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8b1ae737-3a5a-416a-9940-cfa9ccc26cca@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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On Jun 26, 12:31 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspape r_Articles/ Vancouver_ Sun_3_in_
4_Boys_on_ Street_Sexually_ Exploited_ by_Women_ 27MAY08.aspx
I posted this last week. I'll give the same reply:
--------
Sigh. This is another case of taking a stereotyped idea and
reflexively applying it to the other sex without really thinking
about whether it makes sense.
Look, assuming this story to be accurate, isn't the real problem
that these boys/men are _on the streets_ in the first place? If
we were able to simply abolish this 'exploitation' without
changing anything else, would the life of the 'victims' improve?
Of course not! This is just something else people talk about
to show they 'care'.
I put the word exploitation in quotes because it's not clear
that it's even a valid description - put yourself in the shoes
of one of these boys and ask yourself if it would feel like
exploitation. And yes, that applies to female prostitution
as well. [1]
Yes, I suppose we're supposed to be thankful that someone
is thinking of boys as well, but I just can't, unless they
propose to _actually help_ instead of just make gestures
like this.
Andrew Usher
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Do you think these boys CHOOSE this lifestyle willingly, if not, then they
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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"Andrew Usher" <k_over_hbarc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 26, 2:13 pm, "Ranting" <r...@rant.com> wrote:
Do you think these boys CHOOSE this lifestyle willingly, if not, then
they
are being exploited
No, of course not. But that's not the point, as I explained. But you
didn't even fucking read it, did you?
Besides, that definition of 'exploitation' means almost all of us are
'exploited' by our jobs.
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Andrew - I am all for a more fine grained evaluation of those poor young
men - I just hope that you are as diligent in your fine grain analysis when
it comes to simlar reports of young women being 'exploited' by men. I'm not
suggesting that you wouldn't be even handed on these issues as I don't know
anything about you as yet.
Phil Lewis
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 26, 2:38 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree Andrew, the primary problem is the boys being on the street
and us doing nothing about that.
And you STILL refuse to respond to my e-mail.
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What email? I swear I haven't received one. Sometimes they go into
"bulk". I'll look now. Nope, they aren't in any folders or my gmail
account. Send it again.
Tom
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 27, 11:27 am, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 26, 2:38 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree Andrew, the primary problem is the boys being on the street
and us doing nothing about that.
And you STILL refuse to respond to my e-mail.
What email? I swear I haven't received one. Sometimes they go into
"bulk". I'll look now. Nope, they aren't in any folders or my gmail
account. Send it again.
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I have sent it twice. I just sent it again, to both addresses now. I
don't understand why you couldn't receive e-mail at your Yahoo
address, I know it must be there.
Andrew Usher |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 27, 12:52 am, "Philip Lewis" <noth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Andrew - I am all for a more fine grained evaluation of those poor young
men - I just hope that you are as diligent in your fine grain analysis when
it comes to simlar reports of young women being 'exploited' by men.
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I would be, yes, perhaps even more so knowing the feminist bias of the
media. Note that I wasn't in any way justifying what allegedly
happened
to these young men.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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Andrew Usher wrote:
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On Jun 26, 12:31 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspape r_Articles/ Vancouver_ Sun_3_in_
4_Boys_on_ Street_Sexually_ Exploited_ by_Women_ 27MAY08.aspx
I posted this last week. I'll give the same reply:
--------
Sigh. This is another case of taking a stereotyped idea and
reflexively applying it to the other sex without really thinking
about whether it makes sense.
Look, assuming this story to be accurate, isn't the real problem
that these boys/men are _on the streets_ in the first place? If
we were able to simply abolish this 'exploitation' without
changing anything else, would the life of the 'victims' improve?
Of course not! This is just something else people talk about
to show they 'care'.
I put the word exploitation in quotes because it's not clear
that it's even a valid description - put yourself in the shoes
of one of these boys and ask yourself if it would feel like
exploitation. And yes, that applies to female prostitution
as well. [1]
Yes, I suppose we're supposed to be thankful that someone
is thinking of boys as well, but I just can't, unless they
propose to _actually help_ instead of just make gestures
like this.
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You're missing the point entirely Andrew. This isn't a hand wringing
exercise meant to point out that these poor boys are on the street, it's
a statement of factual findings that is meant to counter the "men bad
women good" stereotype that is promoted by feminists, to the severe
disadvantage of men...all men.
I would even be willing to speculate that at least some of these young
men are on the street as a result of the disadvantage that men are
placed at by misleading and often outright untruthful feminist rhetoric
and propaganda...
So, in your terms, if this helps, even in small way, to counter that
propaganda, it WILL help at least some of those young men.
....Ken |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 27, 11:01 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 27, 11:27 am, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 2:38 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 2:21 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree Andrew, the primary problem is the boys being on the street
and us doing nothing about that.
And you STILL refuse to respond to my e-mail.
What email? I swear I haven't received one. Sometimes they go into
"bulk". I'll look now. Nope, they aren't in any folders or my gmail
account. Send it again.
I have sent it twice. I just sent it again, to both addresses now.
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I answered it a few days ago but haven't received a reply.
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I
don't understand why you couldn't receive e-mail at your Yahoo
address, I know it must be there.
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Well, it wasn't there Andrew and if you replied the new one isn't
there either. Usually when this kind of thing happens it ends up in
my bulk folder but this time it didn't. Let's keep tabs here on
whether it your emails make it or not.
Tom
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:23 am Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 30, 4:14 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
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What email? I swear I haven't received one. Sometimes they go into
"bulk". I'll look now. Nope, they aren't in any folders or my gmail
account. Send it again.
I have sent it twice. I just sent it again, to both addresses now.
I answered it a few days ago but haven't received a reply.
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I've gotten it, I just haven't answered quite yet.
Andrew Usher |
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Andrew Usher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: 3 in 4 B.C. boys on street sexually exploited by women |
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On Jun 30, 10:23 pm, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 4:14 pm, Masculist <MASCUL...@gmail.com> wrote:
What email? I swear I haven't received one. Sometimes they go into
"bulk". I'll look now. Nope, they aren't in any folders or my gmail
account. Send it again.
I have sent it twice. I just sent it again, to both addresses now.
I answered it a few days ago but haven't received a reply.
I've gotten it, I just haven't answered quite yet.
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Well it's that again - I have to ask if you got my last reply, sent
Monday. (You should know that I never miss your messages
no matter how long it takes me to answer.)
Andrew Usher |
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